Geeks and God IRC Transcripts for 01/17/2009

12:52 ustreamer-60338 : it works :p)
12:55 kwang0274 : Hey if I watch this now, will I be bored next week in NY?
12:58 connectedgeek : sound ok?
12:58 ustreamer-97897 : kind of echo-y
12:59 ustreamer-60338 : a little low?
12:59 kwang0274 : Sound is a little low, but I can still hear
01:00 ustreamer-97897 : is there a way to get a monitor line from the board to the camera/computer? it's low and echo, but doable
01:00 kwang0274 : Wow... that was a bit better
01:00 ustreamer-97897 : ah, getting better :)
01:00 connectedgeek : i think this the best i can do
01:00 connectedgeek : sorry
01:02 ustreamer-97897 : now if I could only set something up at my church like this, and teach shut-ins how to use Ustream, this could be awesome.... ;)
01:03 connectedgeek : sorry about the echo
01:17 kwang0274 : How many people are there?
01:18 connectedgeek : about 20
01:22 ustreamer-60338 : some junior attendees also :-)
01:22 connectedgeek : yes :)
01:23 ustreamer-60338 : thanks for setting up the live feed!
01:23 connectedgeek : np
01:23 connectedgeek : sorry about the echo
01:25 ustreamer-97897 : just curious: is he offering the slides up for download?
01:25 connectedgeek : i will ask
01:26 ustreamer-97897 : ... of course, he might revise them in the coming week, but would still be an interesting read :)
01:36 connectedgeek : http://www.panic.com/coda/
01:37 ustreamer-60338 : ultraedit might be similar for windows
01:37 ustreamer-97897 : the CSS editor pane in Coda is brilliant
01:37 connectedgeek : http://www.barebones.com/products/TextWrangler/
01:38 connectedgeek : please post what you use
01:38 connectedgeek : thanks
01:38 ustreamer-26186 : notepad++
01:38 ustreamer-78965 : Code view in Dreamweaver, but only because I already had it.
01:38 ustreamer-97897 : I ditto Coda, as you can pull from SVN, make the edit, hit save, and it ups it to the server via FTP
01:39 ustreamer-97897 : all in the SAME APP
01:39 ustreamer-97897 : no, wait... pardon me... SFTP
01:39 ustreamer-97897 : FTP == bad
01:39 ustreamer-7147 : where would you keep your code library in your drupal setup?
01:40 ustreamer-7147 : or is it just kept in whatever editor you are using?
01:41 ustreamer-97897 : I made a separate folder on my SVN
01:41 ustreamer-97897 : and Coda has the "clippings" window, for standard re-used blocks of code for the smaller stuff
01:49 ustreamer-37585 : is this also being recorded for later review?
01:49 ChurchtechGuy : We have a guy doing a high-def recording... don't know the later plans
01:49 connectedgeek : yes
01:49 connectedgeek : i am recording too
01:50 connectedgeek : it will be available later on this evening
01:50 ustreamer-37585 : great - I will have to leave soon
01:50 connectedgeek : on ustream
01:51 kwang0274 : Was that a kid crying that I heard?
01:52 ustreamer-37585 : yes
01:52 kwang0274 : Cool
01:52 ustreamer-60338 : themers start young :-)
01:52 kwang0274 : Nice by the time he's old enough, he'll be a pro
01:53 ustreamer-37585 : "Train em up when they're young - when they're old they won't depart"
01:56 ustreamer-32629 : you there larry
01:56 connectedgeek : yes
01:56 ustreamer-32629 : this is cool its LIVE OMG
01:56 connectedgeek : yes it is
01:56 connectedgeek : i am behind the camera
01:57 connectedgeek : Smartie?
01:57 ustreamer-60338 : smarty
01:57 ustreamer-32629 : ask him a question so i can here your voice
01:57 connectedgeek : http://drupal.org/project/smarty
01:58 ustreamer-32629 : OMG there you are!!
01:58 connectedgeek : haha
01:58 ustreamer-32629 : thats sick!!
01:58 ustreamer-32629 : you sound so cool
01:59 connectedgeek : thx
01:59 ustreamer-32629 : wow
01:59 ustreamer-32629 : thanks for inviting me this is so cool
01:59 connectedgeek : np
02:00 ustreamer-32629 : is this guy considerd a true "geek" in your opinion
02:01 connectedgeek : yep
02:01 ustreamer-32629 : cool
02:01 ustreamer-32629 : im here im just learning
02:02 connectedgeek : ok
02:03 ustreamer-78965 : Had to step away for a moment, did they take a break?
02:04 kwang0274 : I'm excited about the theming seminar in NYC next weekend
02:05 connectedgeek : for those interested
02:05 connectedgeek : http://www.ustream.tv/mybroadcasts/clips/connectedgeek-live
02:05 connectedgeek : some old shows
02:09 connectedgeek : i will post the chat log here
02:09 connectedgeek : http://geeksandgod.connectedgeek.net/
02:09 connectedgeek : this evening
02:14 ustreamer-8633 : bless you
02:14 ustreamer-37585 : jumped out of my chair!
02:14 ustreamer-2853 : same here lol
02:18 ustreamer-32629 : you there
02:18 ChurchTechGuy : thanks... stupid allergies
02:18 ustreamer-32629 : you on??
02:20 connectedgeek : yes
02:21 ustreamer-2853 : is this video going to be cached by chance?
02:22 ustreamer-32629 : i just heard you sniff your nose!! lol
02:22 connectedgeek : i am recording
02:22 connectedgeek : not me sniffing
02:22 connectedgeek : my table partner
02:22 ustreamer-2853 : oh good!! I came in part way in
02:22 ustreamer-32629 : oh
02:22 ustreamer-2853 : in IRC
02:23 ustreamer-32629 : do you understand all of this
02:23 ustreamer-53022 : hi
02:23 ustreamer-53022 : can the lights be dimmed please
02:24 ustreamer-53022 : and the connection is choppy
02:25 connectedgeek : they are already dimmed quite a bit
02:25 ustreamer-91562 : To anyine involve: Thank you a lot for streaming this :)
02:26 ustreamer-91562 : *anyone
02:26 kurt-6845 : i did that
02:26 connectedgeek : np
02:26 ustreamer-53022 : where is this?
02:26 connectedgeek : good job kurt
02:26 ustreamer-53022 : and is this the mustard seed guy?
02:26 ustreamer-91562 : it's nice to see this from Mallorca (Spain/Europe)
02:26 kurt-6845 : thanks im a geek in training!!
02:26 connectedgeek : yes
02:26 connectedgeek : Rob Feature
02:26 ustreamer-7147 : thanks for recording this.
02:27 connectedgeek : np
02:27 ustreamer-53022 : turn all lights off then, and pull blinds down? :)
02:27 ustreamer-53022 : and zoom!
02:27 kurt-6845 : everyone is chatting
02:27 kurt-6845 : cool
02:27 ustreamer-53022 : no backgroudn noise really, just can't see the text like now
02:28 connectedgeek : i am going to ask Rob if he post the slides
02:28 connectedgeek : i don't think he will though
02:28 ustreamer-53022 : please
02:29 connectedgeek : info about the seminar
02:29 connectedgeek : http://groups.drupal.org/node/17720
02:29 ustreamer-53022 : i'd like to put together a site to pull all quality drupal presentations together, and this should be one for it
02:30 connectedgeek : so we can talk to a name and a ustreamer can you please change your name
02:30 connectedgeek : ie
02:30 connectedgeek : type in /nick
02:30 kurt-6845 : you must be smart to understand all of this
02:30 connectedgeek : and then your name
02:30 connectedgeek : ie '/nick myname'
02:30 connectedgeek : thanks
02:31 kurt-6845 : sure
02:31 connectedgeek : kurt ur ok
02:31 kurt-6845 : going to FB IM
02:31 george2 : hey
02:31 george2 : there we go :)
02:31 connectedgeek : thanks george
02:31 george2 : what server is this irc chan on?
02:31 connectedgeek : chat1.ustream.tv
02:31 connectedgeek : i believe
02:32 george2 : ahh - you're not secondmile byu any chance?
02:32 connectedgeek : http://drupal.org/node/11812
02:33 connectedgeek : what is secondmile?
02:33 george2 : a person who announced this on irc in drupal-themes :)
02:33 connectedgeek : nope
02:34 george2 : is this general themeing or using something like zen?
02:34 connectedgeek : general
02:34 ustreamer-7147 : general themeing
02:35 connectedgeek : http://api.drupal.org/
02:35 george2 : sheesh, according to the cries in the background, drupalers are getting yyounger by the minute!
02:35 connectedgeek : yep
02:35 connectedgeek : :)
02:35 george2 : dmitri has competition!
02:35 ivanux : hehe :)
02:36 george2 : start 'em young!
02:36 ustreamer-7147 : Does that mean themeing in Drupal is so easy even a baby can do it?
02:36 ustreamer-7147 : :P (only kidding)
02:36 ivanux : im looking this with one of my 2 years old twins :D
02:36 george2 : is the other twin a girl, and learning how to cook?
02:36 george2 : hehe
02:37 ivanux : both boys :P
02:41 ivanux : connectedgeek Just followed you on twitter
02:41 george2 : does ustream record the chat, or just the video?
02:41 connectedgeek : :)
02:41 connectedgeek : just video
02:41 george2 : for free?
02:41 connectedgeek : i am going to post the chat here http://geeksandgod.connectedgeek.net/
02:42 connectedgeek : later
02:42 george2 : shame it's so choppy
02:42 connectedgeek : and yes to the free video
02:42 connectedgeek : sorry
02:42 ustreamer-2853 : where can the video be found after because I missed a lot
02:42 connectedgeek : http://www.ustream.tv/mybroadcasts/clips/connectedgeek-live
02:42 ustreamer-2853 : ty
02:44 ustreamer-2853 : I sure wish I could see the screen it's super blurry
02:44 connectedgeek : it is being recorded
02:44 connectedgeek : via HD
02:44 connectedgeek : too
02:44 connectedgeek : hopefully it will be avaiable later
02:44 george2 : yeah, even on full screen, the resolution is too low
02:44 george2 : ahh
02:44 ustreamer-2853 : ya throw it on youtube or something to get the HD
02:44 connectedgeek : sorry
02:45 george2 : archive.org?
02:45 connectedgeek : best i can do
02:45 george2 : can you zoom in on just the screen
02:45 connectedgeek : sorry no
02:45 george2 : really? what are you recording with?
02:45 connectedgeek : logitech webcamn
02:46 george2 : ahh
02:46 ustreamer-2853 : lol oh cool
02:46 george2 : could he wear it on his head!
02:46 ustreamer-2853 : you'd get motion sick from him moving around so fast
02:46 george2 : haha
02:47 george2 : haha - is that a mcdonalds drink?
02:47 connectedgeek : yes
02:47 george2 : this seminar brought to you by mcdonalds!
02:47 ustreamer-2853 : having the same title on every page is not SEO friendly really
02:48 cyberhiker-1136 : product placement :-)
02:48 george2 : there's a module for page titles
02:48 ustreamer-2853 : what's it called/
02:48 ustreamer-2853 : (noob @ drupal)
02:51 george2 : page_titles i think
02:51 ustreamer-2853 : ty
02:52 ustreamer-2853 : I'd imagine you need url-rename on for that?
02:53 george2 : no doesn't change urls, that's pathauto
02:53 george2 : page_titles changes the text in the head
02:55 ustreamer-2853 : lol
02:55 george2 : ahh yeah - this caused me some grief
02:56 george2 : is_page?
02:56 ustreamer-9005 : was planning to drive from jackson this morning, weather looked horrible though, nice to watch it live
02:57 ustreamer-2853 : I'm in Calgary, Alberta, Canada slightly out of the way
02:58 ustreamer-2853 : page.tpl.php is a page.. got it lol
02:59 connectedgeek : http://www.webmonkey.com/
03:00 connectedgeek : http://php.net/
03:01 george2 : is anyone else loosing a lot of frames?
03:01 ustreamer-2853 : nope
03:02 ustreamer-9005 : hit or miss
03:02 connectedgeek : the recording will probably be better
03:02 connectedgeek : later
03:02 connectedgeek : is the sound?
03:02 connectedgeek : ok>
03:02 connectedgeek : ?
03:02 ustreamer-2853 : sounds gr8
03:02 connectedgeek : oops :)
03:02 ustreamer-9005 : sound great
03:02 george2 : sound is ok
03:02 george2 : but video and sound is choppy
03:02 ustreamer-20243 : for CSS classes, and some other variable names, I like to use camelCase names... much more readable
03:03 ustreamer-2853 : CamelCase as in perl??
03:04 ustreamer-20243 : haven't done perl, but I just mean using capital letters for eachWordInTheVariableName
03:04 ustreamer-20243 : is that the same thing?
03:05 ustreamer-2853 : not sure .. I don't see people doing caps so much anymore, but we could be wrong
03:05 ustreamer-2853 : I'm not sure it matters anymore in browsers
03:05 cyberhiker-1136 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamelCase
03:06 ChurchTechGuy : in linux Page does not equal page. Thats why a lot of people just use lowercase
03:06 connectedgeek : http://www.alistapart.com/
03:07 ustreamer-9005 : i love drupal devs that give anonymous users ability to enter php code
03:07 ustreamer-9005 : http://actionwick.com/design
03:10 ustreamer-2853 : ah it's dropping now
03:11 connectedgeek : http://geeksandgod.connectedgeek.net/node/10
03:11 connectedgeek : update the chat log
03:11 connectedgeek : updated
03:12 ustreamer-2853 : wonder if he can put the presentation templates over top of the audio... would be perfect then
03:13 ustreamer-2853 : Do the blog WYSYG editors have checkplate in them by drupals default??
03:14 connectedgeek : that would be great 2853
03:14 connectedgeek : but we didnt have time for that
03:14 ustreamer-2853 : ah
03:17 ustreamer-2853 : print block content is he saying that's part of checkplate for ending user defined content security or is he just naming off parts?
03:17 george2 : it's really difficult to watch this due to how choppy it is :(
03:18 george2 : i'm watching another video on ustream, and there's no choppiness :(
03:18 connectedgeek : sorry george
03:18 george2 : maybe the conversion from hd to ustream quality is slowing it down?
03:18 ustreamer-2853 : it dropped a few times for me but was back seconds later
03:18 george2 : it drops about every 3 seconds for me
03:18 cyberhiker-1136 : depends on where you are - I'm watching on a P3 box and it's pretty watchable
03:18 george2 : for 5 seconds
03:18 ustreamer-2853 : might be your connection strength george2
03:19 cyberhiker-1136 : is he going to take any breaks :-)
03:19 connectedgeek : soon
03:19 ustreamer-2853 : cyberhiker1136 it's recorded
03:19 ustreamer-2853 : you can come back to it
03:20 connectedgeek : http://www.ustream.tv/mybroadcasts/clips/connectedgeek-live
03:20 connectedgeek : all recordings will be here
03:20 cyberhiker-1136 : k
03:27 ustreamer-2853 : so Zen CSS should be in the sites - all - themes??? I'm not sure if Zen is considered core because it can be downloaded on the drupal site
03:28 ustreamer-42439 : As I understand it, anything that doens't come with the core install, should go in the sites/all/themes
03:28 ustreamer-2853 : I thought tables were not as SEO friendly and didn't load as well
03:29 ustreamer-9005 : tables are for displaying tabular data... period
03:31 ustreamer-2853 : ask him if he's going to put the slides on with the audio
03:31 connectedgeek : i will
03:31 ustreamer-2853 : oh ok.. thanks you rock :)
03:31 ustreamer-2853 : haha
03:36 ustreamer-9005 : anyone who gets all of this and wish to work freelance or pt/ft should apply at http:///www.commerceguys.com/careers
03:36 ustreamer-42439 : You should let Bob know how many are watching online.
03:36 george2 : what? the commerce guys are looking to outsource programmers or themers?
03:36 ustreamer-9005 : more work than time, looking to hire or contact out work
03:37 ustreamer-9005 : contract*
03:39 connectedgeek : i did
03:40 ustreamer-9005 : YUI editor is worth a look
03:40 ustreamer-2853 : what WYSWYG editor is good?
03:41 ustreamer-2853 : I walked in part way
03:41 ustreamer-7147 : I use TinyMCE.
03:42 george2 : what theme is that?
03:42 ustreamer-70305 : Bob hates WYSWYG editors... If he has to put one in he uses Beditor
03:42 ustreamer-70305 : its a static page... not a theme
03:42 george2 : ahh
03:43 ustreamer-7147 : it's actually BUEditor - http://drupal.org/project/bueditor
03:43 ustreamer-2853 : http://www.bestsurvive.com/wall/wss.jpg current theme from PSD I need to create
03:43 ChurchTechGuy : thanks
03:44 ustreamer-2853 : ty for the link :)
03:44 ustreamer-7147 : np
03:45 ustreamer-42439 : Ih Bob is siitting and everything is on the screen now, can it be zoomed in so we can see the code?
03:46 connectedgeek : sorry
03:46 connectedgeek : we dont have a screen capture
03:46 ustreamer-2853 : Did I hear that correctly he said he's turning changed style.css to page.tpl.css??
03:46 ustreamer-2853 : 42439 he's using a logitech cam
03:47 ustreamer-42439 : Got it. Sorry
03:50 ustreamer-2853 : garland is a nice looking theme just don't like where the links go on the very top
03:56 ChiccoMacABC : ciao
03:56 ustreamer-17587 : l8er chiccoMacABC
03:57 ustreamer-17587 : lol wtg
03:58 ChiccoMacABC : italy?
03:58 ustreamer-17587 : Canada
04:00 ChiccoMacABC : ok
04:01 ustreamer-17587 : http://www.bestsurvive.com/wall/wss.jpg if he can do that in 10 mins I'll be super impressed lol
04:03 ustreamer-17587 : Seems simple just can't see what he's doing haha
04:03 connectedgeek : sorry
04:03 connectedgeek : i took some pictures
04:03 ustreamer-17587 : lol its all good man still learning lots
04:05 george2 : actually what is that template called?
04:06 george2 : and what site did he get it from?
04:06 ustreamer-17587 : which one the one he has up now?
04:06 george2 : the orange one
04:06 ustreamer-17587 : I agree it would be good george2 to have sort of a blog article showing step by step how a theme is built with screen shots.
04:07 connectedgeek : i will mention it to Rob
04:08 ustreamer-17587 : Thanks :)
04:12 george2 : george? did i say that? :)
04:13 george2 : uhm, 17587 i mean
04:13 ustreamer-17587 : How about ajax with those field if they add in the wrong content?
04:13 george2 : actually i think all videos should have notes
04:14 ustreamer-17587 : of course but this is live george2
04:18 george2 : ustreamer - do you know what theme site he pulled that from?
04:18 george2 : haha - damn i'm tired now, ustreamer-17587 that is for
04:19 ustreamer-17587 : I'm not sure what site he's getting that from but I don't know if it matters because it applies to any html site
04:20 george2 : 17587 - he said he pulled the template from some themes site
04:20 george2 : i don't recognise it from owd / oswd for example
04:21 ustreamer-17587 : Does BUEditor have check plain in it for blogging, and if not how do you apply it?
04:21 george2 : maybe with a custom module? that's normally how i've forced filters
04:22 ustreamer-17587 : I want to insure the fields are managed right like he said but in blogging
04:22 ustreamer-17587 : I'm building a custom theme
04:39 ustreamer-17587 : I can't even tell what OS he's using lol
04:42 ustreamer-4086 : Mac OSX
04:43 ustreamer-17587 : thinking of installing that on a quadcore
04:49 ustreamer-17587 : can someone type out what ever he just wrote lol
04:49 connectedgeek : i took a picture
04:50 ustreamer-17587 : heard that :)
04:51 ustreamer-17587 : lol extra emphasis on document this according to what he's saying
04:53 ustreamer-54000 : fyi...there is also a drupal/firefox plugin called drupal for firebug
04:53 ustreamer-54000 : it reveals this same info...it also shows you forms and views variables
04:53 ustreamer-54000 : you have to enable the module in drupal and install the plugin in firefox
04:53 connectedgeek : http://drupal.org/project/drupalforfirebug
04:53 ustreamer-54000 : there it is!
04:53 ustreamer-54000 : nice.
04:54 ustreamer-9005 : print_r the same as dev render?
04:55 ustreamer-54000 : yep
04:56 ustreamer-17587 : what ever that node1 code was I'd sure be interested in knowing that
04:57 ustreamer-54000 : it's probably something like:
04:57 ustreamer-9005 : should have been if uid =1 print....
04:57 ustreamer-54000 : global $user
04:57 connectedgeek : send @RobFeature a message
04:57 ustreamer-54000 : if $user->uid === 1 {
04:57 ustreamer-54000 : etc.
04:58 ustreamer-17587 : ty
05:04 ustreamer-9005 : why copy and paste and create a new file vs just copy the file?
05:04 george2 : instead of checking for uid === 1, wouldn't it be better to check by role
05:04 george2 : and add an admin role. would be more scalable
05:07 ustreamer-17587 : lightbox 2 is good stuff
05:07 george2 : yeah, stella's been working hard on that
05:07 ustreamer-17587 : ah are they coming out with a module for drupal?
05:20 ustreamer-17587 : I'm going to need some of that magic to get this project done for monday lol
05:21 george2 : there's a lightbox module for drupal
05:27 ustreamer-17587 : haha
05:28 ustreamer-17587 : I have to see it to sort of understand it but it pretty much makes sense.. bit intense
05:29 ustreamer-17587 : Query builder kind of like an ajax autocomplete database?
05:31 ustreamer-9005 : please mention simple views for newbs
05:31 george2 : there's a simple query builder for views
05:31 george2 : simple views i think it's called
05:31 george2 : by eaton
05:31 ustreamer-17587 : < noob
05:32 ustreamer-9005 : http://drupal.org/project/simpleviews
05:35 ustreamer-17587 : lol wow that's huge
05:35 connectedgeek : totally
05:36 ustreamer-17587 : image cache? automatically brings it down to size or is that like memcache that runs through the ram??
05:41 ustreamer-17587 : haha I totally didn't get that typed out in time
05:45 ustreamer-17587 : is there anything integral with it to run cronjob.php automatically to update it?
05:50 george2 : where will this be ujploaded to?
05:51 ustreamer-17587 : In a weird way that's like my mockup
05:51 connectedgeek : here: http://www.ustream.tv/mybroadcasts/clips/connectedgeek-live
05:52 ustreamer-17587 : www.greenfaucet.com really cool drupal site
05:52 george2 : thanks
05:52 ustreamer-17587 : (I didn't build it but I wish I knew how lol)
05:53 george2 : uhm, i need to log in to get to that address
05:54 ustreamer-17587 : a lot of people in IRC are suggesting panels
05:55 ustreamer-17587 : it's in alpha stage a lot of people suggest that the guys coding is like beta. It says not for production purposes....
05:55 george2 : panels rocks for 5
05:55 george2 : for 6, not so
05:55 ustreamer-17587 : you've tried it in 6? I am just learning it so I don't know lol
05:57 george2 : it's still being developed i think for 6. i don't use panels so not too sure
05:57 ustreamer-17587 : blocks using like jquery to drag them around?
05:57 ustreamer-17587 : Is that what they're talking about right now
05:57 george2 : not yet
05:57 george2 : panels 4 yes
05:57 george2 : they're on panels 2 atm :)
05:57 george2 : yeah
05:57 ustreamer-17587 : ah cool
05:57 george2 : the interface will be much improved in 4 was talking to a dev the other day
05:58 ustreamer-17587 : look forward to seeing it.. will change the whole process and streamline the entire process
06:00 ustreamer-17587 : Is panels quick loading or is it better to just use CSS?
06:01 ustreamer-17587 : I can't read those links but is it http://www.ustream.tv/mybroadcasts/clips/connectedgeek-live ??
06:02 connectedgeek : http://www.ustream.tv/mybroadcasts/clips/connectedgeek-live
06:02 connectedgeek : try it again
06:03 ustreamer-50780 : http://mustardseedmedia.com/ (Video Podcast Section)
06:05 ustreamer-17587 : that site requires a login for some reason
06:05 connectedgeek : ustream.tv?
06:06 ustreamer-17587 : yep
06:06 ustreamer-17587 : it's ok I am signing up
06:07 george2 : is it possible to see the recordings without signing up?
06:07 ustreamer-17587 : I signed up
06:08 ustreamer-17587 : wondering where the video is haha
06:09 ustreamer-17587 : Error ( 404 ) Page not found
06:09 ustreamer-17587 : that's what I get when I type that link in